what we saw during the debate was truth vs lies. Many of pence’s rebuttals weren’t exactly truthful like when he tried to claim that Biden’s campaign consist of the green new deal which is untrue and Biden stated in the Presidential debate that his environment plan is the Biden plan. As for kamala, she did espouse the Biden administrative plan, which is actually truthful and good for America, so in this instance we have to say that kamala won that debate.